What My Menopause Test Results Mean for My Cycle

INTRO Dr. Amanda Frick

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Dr. Amanda Frick

Hi everyone, and welcome to this special episode of The Thorne Podcast. My name Dr. Amanda Frick, Thorne’s Vice President of Medical Affairs. Dr. Rountree has the day off for this episode. So this week we're going to be demoing Thorne's Menopause at-home test kit. To help you follow along, in addition to our regular audio episode, we're also releasing the video from this recording as well. So be sure to check that out on Thorne.com or on our YouTube page. Joining me to talk about this testing experience is a member of Thorne's Marketing team, Margaret. Welcome to the show, Margaret.

Margaret Gandolfo

Thank you so much excited to be here. As Dr. Frick mentioned, I'm a member of Thorne's Marketing team. I've been at Thorne for about a year and a half now. I was really excited to participate in this particular episode. You know, we talk so much at Thorne, about personalized, proactive scientific wellness. And I take so many Thorne supplements. But I realized in doing this that I never really self-tested for anything in particular. I'm really focused on women's health. Right. So that got me really interested in our Menopause Test. And I decided to take it, and I'm really excited to go through the results with you. I found it to be really educational, and I have a lot of questions.

Dr. Amanda Frick

Sounds good. 

Margaret Gandolfo

Excited to talk about that!

 Dr. Amanda Frick

So because you just recently went through that experience, we're going to walk our listeners through your results in a bit. But first, we want to talk about the process that you go through to actually do the test collection or to take the test.

Margaret Gandolfo

Absolutely. So full disclosure, I took this test for demonstration purposes, not because I'm necessarily in the age group for what you would test for menopause. I really was curious about the hormones that this test was looking at, and so that's why I took it. So I wanted to be really transparent about that. 

But the test itself was really easy to navigate. It's a saliva test collection. So specifically the test asks you to collect saliva samples. There are four samples and a day on day it's either 19, 20 or 21 of your menstrual cycle. And I chose the last day, day 21. So later in the cycle, and I had four saliva collections throughout the day. And basically it's really, really simple. There's really clear demonstrations on Thorne's website with how to take the saliva, literally how to correctly put the saliva in the little tube that the test gives you. It's really, really super clear. I guess specifically, it asks you not to eat or drink anything other than water 30 minutes before each sample and the first one is within 30 minutes of waking up. And then the next three are at different points throughout the day. So the way I timed it was I did the first right when I woke up, the second right before my lunch, and then the next two was like mid-afternoon and then right before I went to bed, was the last one. And so after that they ask if you don't send it in within 48 hours to stick your saliva samples in the freezer. But I didn't have to do that. I sent the collection right back in the mail. Super easy, just dropped it off at UPS and that was it. 

So that was really easy. I think it's probably the most complicated part of it was figuring out the when to test and what window. And all you really have to do is read the pamphlet we give you. It's it's really not that hard. So I found it to be very seamless and easy to do.

Dr. Amanda Frick

Did you have any trouble generating enough saliva to collect the sample? Or do you have any tips for listeners if you were struggling with that at all?

Margaret Gandolfo

Sure, I had a little bit of trouble, specifically like first thing when I woke up, I felt like maybe generating enough saliva was an issue, but there's really no time limit on how long it takes you to collect it. So I think the first sample, it took me a little bit longer to do just to kind of generate the amount of saliva I tried to stay well-hydrated throughout the day, just knowing that I was going to need other samples throughout it. So I drank a lot of water that day. I didn't have any trouble after that, producing enough for the sample. I will say though, to mention to anybody else who takes a test or any other Thorne tests that you need a saliva sample for, you will produce a lot of bubbles. And that's not actually the saliva you need. So if you look at the test, it's going to be the first half at the bottom is saliva, and then the second half at the top is like a little bit more foamy. And that's the bubble part. So you need to make sure that the actual saliva part hits over the halfway mark in the tube.

Dr. Amanda Frick

I think it's clear in the directions, too, that the bubbles don't count. 

Margaret

Yeah, absolutely.

Dr. Amanda Frick

And then you said you were curious about the hormones in this panel. I think that many women who are taking this panel, or because it's a Menopause Test, are looking for changes in their hormones that may be reflected in the test because of the experiences are going through. So I just wanted to talk in general a little bit for our listeners about some things you may be experiencing that make you wonder if you're getting close, you know, other than your chronological age, are there other things that people may be thinking about? Perimenopause can last 10 years, 15 years. It can last a lot longer than we think about. And defining menopause: Menopause is when you haven't had a menstrual cycle for 12 months or more. 

So any experience where things are changing and sort of this transition period that we talk about, that's all perimenopause until you haven't had a cycle for a year. So that perimenopause experience can last a long time and can start really early, can start as early as late 30s, early 40s. And some of them are more subtle than others, but some changes that women may experience are their cycles are getting closer together. You know, there's not enough break between maybe they used to have a 28-day cycle and it's becoming 25, 23, getting shorter between cycles. Some other things may be like changes in the actual bleeding period. And so some women experience more clotting or cramping or changes in their menstrual cycle. And then as perimenopause progresses, some other kinds of symptoms women may experience are hot flashes, night sweats, mood changes, sort of the stereotypical memes that you'd see online of like not being able to come up with the words that you think. So all of these things can last for years for us. And so having some time point management or like check-in spots to see how your body is changing in that period can really be helpful for guiding your lifestyle and supplement recommendations as you transition through this period. 

So you had none of these experiences?

Margaret Gandolfo

Well, OK, so to comment on that. So I think it's really interesting what you say because I think for a lot of women, we experience a lot of changes, whether it’s in our menstrual cycles or whether it’s painful, painful periods, or whether it's a lot of space between them, or like you were saying, periods growing closer together. And I have a lot of friends kind of in my age group Who don't necessarily monitor periods or menstrual cycles as closely. So sometimes it can be hard to even catch it initially. Right? There are a lot of apps that you can use. And I definitely I use one to measure kind of the distance between my periods. But I will say I didn't start doing that until recently and trying to observe the time periods and the different phases I would go through. 

And it's funny, I think we're just kind of conditioned sometime to it to accept that our bodies are just going to do this thing, right? And there’s not necessarily much, you know, thought or knowledge that goes into, “Oh, something's changing. Maybe? Maybe not? I shouldn't necessarily worry about it, but maybe I should investigate because there is a change in my body.” 

And I'm 31. So I certainly I've had a menstrual cycle for a long time, but I have noticed some changes over the past couple of years that I never really paid much attention to. So certainly, I think just getting into your 30s and talking about fertility so much definitely made me very curious about  my hormones. Firstly, I go regularly to the doctor to a GYN to check up on that. But really the tests that they run, it's more to check my thyroid and like other hormones. Right. And I don't necessarily get the progesterone or the estrogen measurements done. Those tests, in my experience, aren't usually covered by insurance. So that's something I don't necessarily ask for. 

So to answer your question, this test kind of gave me that first access point to saying, “Maybe this is something I can look at.” It gives me empowerment to take these results and take it to a doctor and say, “Hey, this is what I'm seeing.” But this was my first access point based on, you know, different parts of my cycle and curiosity around fertility and just hormonal changes.

Dr. Amanda Frick

Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. I had a lot of female patients tell me like, “My doctor won't run my hormones for me.” Or if they did get someone to run it for them, they got a giant bill about it. Or their doctor would say, “You know, you're still having a normal menstrual cycle. It's not going to do any good.” And while I disagree with those as a blanket statements, I think that that there's a lot of misunderstanding because our hormones shift so much. You have low points of estrogen in your cycle and higher points. And the same with progesterone. It's hard because we constantly shift like that's the nature of our being. Like it's the beautiful cycle of change we go through every month also makes it really hard to pinpoint and look at empirical data that can be repetitive because of that. And so to them it's like, “Yeah, OK, you're in the range, but what do you know? What does it matter if you're cycling normally there can't be anything that wrong. 

Margaret

            Right.

Dr. Amanda Frick

And I think that that's what happens a lot. And again, like you mentioned, this is an approachable standpoint. Like even if you are having symptoms or, you know, things are starting to shift from a budget standpoint, this is a really approachable option compared to what it may cost at your physician. 

The other difference is that this is a saliva-based test for hormones, not a blood-based test. And so while you are still collecting at the same time periods, there's more of a sensitivity into how much hormone is getting to your tissue, which is why we collected saliva. And you're not going to get that through your physician's office. You'll get a blood draw. And so even if you have a really wonderful physician working with you or you've been able to get your blood drawn, this test could still offer you more data or a way to monitor more easily because it's a saliva-based collection.

Margaret Gandolfo

Yeah, that's really interesting because to your point, I've never done a saliva test at my physician's office. It's only a blood draw. So that's, that's really interesting for sure. Yeah.

Dr. Amanda Frick

Yeah. And then we'll get into it when we look at your results. But the other big thing that this test takes into account, which wouldn't happen in your blood draw or in a physician-based test, is that it's looking at your adrenal health and so that the hypo-pituitary-thalamic access. I mean basically your brain is connected to your pituitary, that's connected to then your ovaries and all of that. And the way your body manages stress, you know, we think of adrenals as your stress response, but they're all intimately connected also with your ovaries. And so knowing the health of your adrenals and how that is working in your body is really important. And so this menopause test not only gives you the sex hormones, but gives you a look at your adrenal health with four times measurements of cortisol and DHEA.

Margaret Gandolfo

Yeah, I guess. One other thing I wanted to say about the test and the process of it is in the booklet, there's specifications on like whether or not you are you're taking hormones, right? So like if you're on some kind of birth control or hormone replacement therapy, whatever it is, you know, they do specify like different instructions, right. For if you are on hormones or if you're not, or actually I think there's a part that asks you to stop taking them for a couple of days or something before you take the test. Just for those who may be within that kind of process or realm, are the results interpreted in a different way for those who are on hormones versus those who are not?

Dr. Amanda Frick

They're not. So I think there's two different ways to look at that. So if you are taking a hormonal birth control pill for the intention of birth control, your results will be impacted by a birth control pill and may not give you functional analysis of what your body snapshot is because the hormones are more powerful than what's happening in your system. But for someone who's using bioidentical hormone therapy or using like hormone as an assistance through a transition period like perimenopause, and then we offer those instructions to sort of work around if you want to get a picture of your body's hormone levels without the assistance. Some doctors may prefer to look at it with it and see, you know, where your biological levels are on your hormones. We just designed those instructions for the consumer that's not working with a physician. But if you are, you could you know, you could always work out what's more personalized for you and the current therapies you're utilizing. 

OK. Well, it's time for us to take a short break. And when we come back, we're going to show you Margaret's test results and walk you through what they mean. For those of you listening on audio only, this next part is where switching to the video option on YouTube or our website will be the most beneficial. Check out the links in the show notes.

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Dr. Amanda Frick

And we are back. It's time to dig into what the menopause at-home test has to tell Margaret and hopefully give you an idea of some of the insights a test like this can provide. Margaret has taken her test, received her emails from Thorne notifying her that her results are ready, and she's logged into Thorne.com. So let's get into it.

Margaret Gandolfo

Awesome. OK, So at the top, I’m going to jump right in and say you can see like the summary and it says “Out of balance.” That's the first thing I see. And so I just want to say like the first, my gut reaction to that obviously was, “My gosh, like something's wrong.” Right? So I guess to preface all of this, you know, from your perspective when you see something like that, how would you encourage people to interpret these before they even begin? Because right at the top, you're going to see something like this. It's going to say in balance or out. I would assume so before I even scroll, like, how would you preface that for people like me.

Dr. Amanda Frick

So in my experience, if my patients got their results back and they were all completely normal, they were like, upset. “I took this like, I took this expecting something to be out of balance. I want something to work on. I want something I can do about this.” And so I would say the first thing to do is not panic. You, you know, for most women choosing to take this test, they're having an experience that sort of prompted that. And so nothing to panic about. And then the good thing is it's just giving you a snapshot overview of all of the results. But as you scroll down, it talks about each analyte and you can understand what out of balance means because out of balance doesn't mean something is wrong. It just means out of balance for what is expected for normal ranges. 

Margaret Gandolfo

Got it. OK, that's really helpful because I think the inclination to your point might be a little bit of panic, but again, super helpful to know snapshot at one point in time. And there's something that hopefully can be done. So moving right along to the first one.

Dr. Amanda Frick

So estradiol is your first one, which of course is showing in normal range. We would have expected that for you at your age and your like normal menstrual cycle, I believe. Is that correct you have like a regular cycle? 

Margaret Gandolfo

Yes, that’s correct.

Dr. Amanda Frick

OK. Got it. And so for someone having a normal menstrual cycle, we would expect estrogen to be in a normal range when estrogen starts to be lower or women who have lower estrogen, they may experience symptoms like night sweats, vaginal dryness, or changes in their memory. And so good indication here that this is normal for you. And again, like we discussed, there's a range that it can fall in which is sort of demonstrated here in this picture. So things look good there.

Margaret Gandolfo

OK, great. Let's see. And also, I guess for estrogen for somebody in my age range, right, if you're taking this like on the quote unquote, “younger side” of this. Right. What else is estrogen? What does estrogen promote in the body? Like, why is it like for is it good for promoting healthy fertility? Like what? What's the point of it?

Dr. Amanda Frick

Any of the sexual hormones are going to be have play a role in fertility. The fluctuation of progesterone and estrogen is what causes a menstrual cycle, which we'll talk about a little more progesterone in the next one. But in the estrogen phase, estrogen is highest in the early days of you having a menstrual cycle or the early days of bleeding. And so at this point in your cycle, we would have expected this. This is what the ranges are built on, that we would have expected this to be a little bit lower. It would be expected to be higher if you were actively bleeding on like day one, two, three of your cycle.

Margaret Gandolfo

Got it. So that would make sense for taking this later in the cycle, which I did. OK, great. I will move on to the next one, which is progesterone. And you can see for those watching on the video that this fell in the lower range, for me, and this was the result that was of concern for me. So I would love to go into some detail on this one for sure.

Dr. Amanda Frick

Sure. Now, you said you were tracking your menstrual cycles and you collected this on day 21. What day or how many days later did you start your menstrual cycle?

Margaret Gandolfo

Great question. I have it on my app.

Dr. Amanda Frick

Well, while you're looking that up, I can explain why I'm asking, too. So what happens is when you ovulate, your body releases an egg, and then the egg travels down your fallopian tubes and then into your uterus, and then it will eventually pass through your cervix and out through your vagina. But what's happening is when the egg is released and starts moving away, it leaves behind a tiny little scar called a corpus luteum. And the corpus luteum makes progesterone. So it's there on purpose, like a tiny little spot emitting progesterone because progesterone so early is so important in the early stages of conception. And so that's why we have people collect a sample on day 19, 20, or 21 hoping to catch if you're having a 28-day cycle. We're trying to catch about a week after when you would ovulate. And so I'm asking because if your period did start a little sooner or started pretty soon after this, your core corpus luteum may have already been done doing its job. And so it may have been better for you to collect earlier.

Margaret Gandolfo

Yeah. So while you were explaining that I'm looking at the calendar and in fact I did start my period four days later. So yeah, that's everything you're saying that, that makes sense because I did have a very short window in between when I collected and when I started my period.

Dr. Amanda Frick

And so how long was that cycle if was it a 28, 26? 

Margaret

No, I think it was closer to, I think it was 24 days. So short. Which is fairly typical for me. In between, like 23 to 28 but generally on the shorter side of it so I think it was 24 days, yeah.

Dr. Amanda Frick

So in this case you had a shorter end of your cycle and you collected your sample on the latest of the days. And so I think that that's a contributing factor here. 

Margaret

Interesting.

Dr. Amanda Frick

I wouldn't consider this to be problematic. Like, I don't think you should be concerned, but I do think if you were actively trying to become pregnant or you were, you know, really working on that as part of your family, planning, you'd want to check this again at a more accurate time scale based on your ovulation to see if low progesterone is an issue, because low progesterone could be an issue if you were trying to become pregnant. For women who are perimenopausal or you're looking at progesterone low progesterone also is associated with hot flashes, but also it's kind of that grounding hormone. So it tends to be that when women's progesterone is low, they may be more anxious or have trouble sleeping and things like that. So that's sort of the aspect of symptoms we'd be looking at for a menopausal woman checking out these results.

Margaret Gandolfo

Interesting. So like you said, if I were to retest something like this, just to kind of get a better level on whether or not this is a consistent issue, whether or not I was trying to get pregnant or not, you would suggest maybe testing closer to ovulation. Is that what you said or just less like farther away from where my cycle would start?

Dr. Amanda Frick

So day 19 to 21 is good for a 28 day cycle. Since your cycles are shorter. I would do something like 19, 18 if you know when you ovulate or you have symptoms that are indicative for you, then you could plan to collect a week after the day you ovulate and try it again.

Margaret Gandolfo

That's really helpful. All right. So week after ovulation. OK. I actually for sure will measure that again then, because I'd like to see if there is a change. Frankly, you know, in my age group and my range, fertility is for sure a concern and just something I think about pretty consistently. So if I was trying to become pregnant and I saw something like this, obviously I'm not going to panic right away. But like we mentioned before, I would have never known, right? Like in the sense that, you know, maybe this is a sign that I could be monitoring this more closely. Right? And perhaps it is going to be a concern later down the line. Maybe it won't. But honestly, I'm really grateful that I took this because it's something I never would have known if I'd just had a regular blood panel. And it's something I can be cognizant about but not necessarily worry about. So definitely something to look out for.

Dr. Amanda Frick

And for our listeners, while we do have, you know, instructions in the test booklet, if you have any question or you feel like your cycle is short or long or you want any help, feel free to reach out to us on chat or email. We can help guide whether a difference in collection timing would be best for you.

Margaret Gandolfo

Absolutely. OK, I'll move on to the next results. So testosterone. I have many questions on this one. Just in general, I see it looks in normal range.

Dr. Amanda Frick

Yeah, it does. I think that for women in perimenopause or menopause, that the biggest thing you'd be looking at with testosterone are when testosterone is low, which tends to happen because all hormones are decreasing in perimenopause and menopause. Testosterone has a lot of mood factor associated. It's libido. So women with low testosterone may experience lower libido or lower interest or drive for sexual interaction. And then high levels of testosterone can be problematic, on the flip side. Women with PCOS may have higher levels of androgens like testosterone. It can contribute to abnormal hair growth on your chin or body or else wise. But just like anything else, it fluctuates as everything in our systems do. But a healthy testosterone level would be good for a healthy mood, healthy libido, and yours looks completely fine.

Margaret Gandolfo

OK, great. Awesome. Yeah, of course I think yet with I think a lot of people when they think of testosterone, it's like, what is the place of that. And that's super helpful to know. And at certain points during your cycle, you can – I think and most women can – probably think about where you can measure mood. Could it relate when you talk about mood like, like PMS and it kind of those kind of symptoms, does that relate at all with the testosterone level you're experiencing? I know you talked about libido and all that, but what about the other symptoms, like PMS?

Dr. Amanda Frick

I would think about PMS as more related to the estrogen-progesterone balance of hormones. 

Margaret

            OK. Gotcha. Good to know.

Dr. Amanda Frick

A little bit different, but definitely important.

Margaret Gandolfo

OK. Absolutely. Gotcha. All right. I'm moving along to the next one. OK. DHEA.

Dr. Amanda Frick

So we measure DHEA for two reasons. First of all, DHEA is, I call it like the “plinko hormone.” You can put DHEA in the system and your body kind of can make it into what it wants. So it can help feed sex hormones, It can help feed your adrenal rhythm. But it's a good indication of both sort of where your status is, which declines with age as well. DHEA from a sex hormone perspective and from an adrenal health perspective. And just like testosterone, women with PCOS or who are experiencing abnormal hair growth may have high levels of DHEA. On the flip side, high levels of DHEA are inversely related to aging. So if a higher level of DHEA actually has a lot of studies that support a lower biological age. So if you are landing on the higher level of DHEA and you didn't have any symptoms of excess androgens, I would say that you're on like a pretty good spectrum of options there. That kind of looks like where you're landing, which is good news for you.

Margaret Gandolfo

That’s great. Yeah, for DHEA when I think when you were explaining that, it's really helpful because I think of DHEA, when I think of omega-3s, like, right, like fish oil does that like what can when I think about that term, right? Do we take anything to like supplement for that? You know, do we need more of it or less of it, that kind of thing?

Dr. Amanda Frick

I think that that commonly gets confused a lot. But there's a difference between DHA and DHEA. So when you're thinking of fish oils or omega-3s, that's DHA. And then this is the hormone, which is DHEA. We even have slips here in the office. And someone was like, “You can't do that.” I think someone misspeaks. But DHEA is the hormone. You can directly supplement with DHEA. You can use bioidentical hormones. We do not carry a product that directly increases DHEA because it is a hormone that would be on banned substance lists. We are we're not allowed to have it in our facility because of our NSF Certified for Sport® product. So there are options out there to directly increase DHEA if that's advised by your physician or recommended.

Margaret Gandolfo

Gotcha. OK, great. Hopefully I'm not the only person who confused that. Whoops!

Dr. Amanda Frick

You're not. 

Margaret Gandolfo

[Laughs] Good to know! Cortisol here. Alright so there’s four different… So this corresponds to the four different times that I took my collection sample, morning, daytime, evening, night. 

Dr. Amanda Frick

Exactly. So then before I start, let me ask you, how do you feel about your energy levels through the day?

Margaret Gandolfo

Generally I'm pretty energized and like the second half, the second half of the day. The morning I will say it takes a while for me to get my energy level up in general. I think that has a lot to do with my sleep. You know, that's something that I've always thought about, but I never really addressed so yeah. So energy is pretty consistent, but I do sometimes feel this sense of like fatigue, right in the morning, and then feeling energized throughout the day, I will feel a little bit, you know, I will feel kind of tired and maybe not 100 percent, probably based on my sleep. But again, yeah, that's pretty consistent. I would say.

Dr. Amanda Frick

OK. So these all look normal. I mean, the beginning of your results said that your cortisol was normal. They are all within the normal range. I would say from my perspective, they are not optimal. And so to me, an optimal cortisol rhythm is highest in the morning and then slowly decreases through the day and you're just kind of does a zigzag, which makes sense to me that the morning is a little bit hard for you. Looks like you kind of get your bump and your you said you took this late afternoon. That's where your level is.

Margaret Gandolfo

Yeah, exactly. And actually the evening one, I'm actually that makes even more sense because does working out to have any effect on it? I would wonder?

Dr. Amanda Frick

It does 

Margaret

Because I’m aways, I’m an evening workout girl. Like I workout after work. So I took that sample I remember after a workout. And I was very like high energy at that point so I do have higher energy in the evening because of that, I would suspect.

Dr. Amanda Frick.

Definitely could be a factor. And you could probably work on some adrenal nourishing protocols to help you get that rhythm more optimized. And then let's go ahead and let's actually keep scrolling and see what you were recommended or what that looks like for you.

Margaret Gandolfo

OK, to scroll all the way to the bottom and we can see the product. So I was recommended three. Meta-Balance™, Women's Multi 50+, and then Advanced Bone Support. And those were the three.

Dr. Amanda Frick

I'd say that that makes sense for what most of our users would be taking this test for. So you're taking a Menopause Test. It's under the assumption that you're experiencing some levels of change or something happening with your cycle. These products would be best related to someone who is in the demographic of taking this test, and then some of them are helping with that progesterone and estrogen imbalance that you had a little bit off. So this all makes sense for one typical user would be.

Margaret Gandolfo

Got it. Now in terms of like going into a recommendation, so you mentioned adrenal nourishing and then also if we're going back up to my progesterone result, and obviously this wouldn't be for somebody necessarily who had normal progesterone. So is there something else I could be taking besides the recommended products at the bottom of this, the results list, that I should be thinking about?

Dr. Amanda Frick

OK, so there are not Thorne products that are direct increasers of progesterone. And so  Meta-Balance is what we have there to help support healthy progesterone levels and healthy estrogen balance. So that's probably why that was included in your result here. Although the product is more designed for someone in a transition period. But I think that for your case, it's best to retest with a little bit change in collection timing and see where you're at. 

Margaret Gandolfo

OK, cool.

Dr. Amanda Frick

Well, folks, that's all the time we have this week. Margaret, thank you so much for coming on the podcast and letting us walk through your results for our listeners.

Margaret Gandolfo

Absolutely.

Dr. Amanda Frick

Where can our listeners go to follow more of your work?

Margaret Gandolfo

So like I said, I am a part of Thorne's Marketing team. Go to, obviously, Thorne's Instagram, Thorne's LinkedIn. Please, you know, if you're interested in what we have to say in terms of our products, in terms of any initiatives we have going on, that kind of thing, definitely follow us there. We have tons of incredible content, including all of the podcasting we're doing. 

It was such a pleasure to be on today. We're going to do more of this in the future. So I suggest you follow us on our social media channels. Yeah. So thank you to Dr. Frick here for going through my results with me. I so appreciate it. And I'm looking forward to retesting and honestly taking other tests in the Thorne testing solution kind of panel. I'm investigating the others now and I'm you know I'm really looking forward to taking them. So thank you.

Dr. Amanda Frick

Well, excellent. That was Margaret again from Thorne's Marketing team on Thorne's Menopause at-home test kit. And as always, thank you everyone, for listening. And until next time.

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